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I'm Not sure why this Topic was Closed/Locked,

But I Do Know, That if You Type In "Is Judas Forgiven"

Into Google Search Engine It's the Second # 2

Into Yahoo Search Engine It's the Sixth # 6

Into Msn Search Engine It's the Fifth # 5

These are the 3 Top Search Engines,
And BibleMaster is hosting this Topic,
Why would it be Locked or Closed...???

It's All About Hits,
I don't care who you are,
The More hits you get,
the Better you are able to Spead God's Word...!!!

So, Explain Why This Topic was Closed/Locked,
If You Can, Please...!!!



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Because some people just can't Read and Understand...!!!

As the saying goes,
You can lead a Horse to Water, But, You Can't make them Drink !

Matthew 27:3
Then Judas,
which had betrayed him,
when he saw that he was condemned,
repented himself,
and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Matthew 27:4
Saying,
I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.

And they said,
What is that to us?

see thou to that.

Matthew 27:5
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed,
and went and hanged himself.

 

Matthew 27:3
Then Judas,
which had betrayed him, (And Haven't we All "betrayed him",
read again Mark 14:27 and 14:50)
when he saw that he was condemned,
repented himself,
and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Matthew 27:4
Saying,
I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.
(Acknowledgement And Confession,)

And they said,
What is that to us?

see thou to that. (Something "An Act" Judas must Do.)

Matthew 27:5 (Action)
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed,
and went and hanged himself.

(Action) Hanged,
Has more meaning than just to Literally hang from a rope...!!!

To attach oneself as a dependent or an impediment; cling.
To cling tightly to something.
To continue persistently; persevere.
To stand united; stick together: "We must all hang together, or a**uredly we shall all hang separately" (Benjamin Franklin).
hang on to, To hold firmly; keep fast: Hang on to your money.

Take the Word, "Enoch"
And We all remember What Happened to Enoch,
He Hung/Hanged with God

Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

But, Enoch means,
H-2585. Chanowk, khan-oke';
from H-2596; initiated; Chanok, an antediluvian patriach:--Enoch.

H-2596. chanak, khaw-nak';
a prim. root; prop. to narrow
[comp. H-2614]; figuratively to initiate or discipline:-
-dedicate, train up.

H-2614. chanaq, khaw-nak';
a prim. root [comp. H-2596]; to be narrow; by impl. to throttle, or (reflex.) to choke oneself to death (by a rope):--hang self, strangle.

It doesn't mean Enoch Hung himself from a Tree
It means he allow God to Live through him and didn't allow His Self to get in the Way of God...!!!

The Same with Judas, He (Enoch-ed/Hanged) Himself...!!!

 
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity;
and falling headlong,
he burst asunder in the midst,
and all his bowels gushed out.


Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity;
(Mat 13:38 The field is the world;)
(
He purchased The World, As do We, When we come to Christ ) 
and falling headlong,
(Job 5:13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.)
(
But in this Case, Judas is Carried headlong into Jesus, The Word, and  headlong  Into God.)
he burst asunder in the midst,
(Simply means, "He spoke" in the Midst )
and all his bowels gushed out.
(Bowels, = Heart, "and all his "Heart" gushed out".)

repented
G-3338
. metamellomai, met-am-el'-lom-ahee;
from G-3326 and the mid. of G-3199;
to care afterwards, i.e. regret:--repent (self).

3326. meta, met-ah';
a prim. prep. (often used adv.); prop. denoting accompaniment; "amid" (local or causal); modified variously according to the case
(gen. a**ociation, or acc. succession) with which it is joined;
occupying an intermediate position between
G-575 or G-1537 and G-1519 or G-4314;
less intimate than G-1722, and less close than G-4862):
--after (-ward),X that he again, against, among, X and, + follow, hence, hereafter, in, of, (up-) on, + our, X and setting, since, (un-) to, + together, when, with (+ -out).
Often used in composition,
in substantially the same relations of participation or proximity,
and transfer or sequence.

G-3199. melo, mel'-o;
a prim. verb; to be of interest to, i.e. to concern (only third pers. sing. pres. indic. used impers. it matters):--(take) care.

G-575. apo, apo';
a prim. particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; lit. or fig.):
--(X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of),
for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with.
In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation,
departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

G-1537. ek, ek; or ex, ex;
a prim. prep. denoting origin
(the point whence motion or action proceeds),
from, out (of place, time or cause; lit. or fig.; direct or remote):
--after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out).
Often used in composition, with the same general import;
often of completion.

G-1519. eis, ice;
a prim. prep.; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered),
of place, time, or (fig.) purpose (result, etc.); also in adv. phrases:--[abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with.
Often used in composition with the same general import,
but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (lit. or fig.).

G-4314. pros, pros;
a strengthened form of G-4253;
a prep. of direction; forward to, i.e.
toward (with the genit. the side of, i.e. pertaining to; with the dat.
by the side of, i.e. near to; usually with the accus. the place, time, occasion, or respect, which is the destination of the relation, i.e. whither or for which it is predicated):--about, according to, against, among, at, because of, before, between, ([where-]) by, for, X at thy house, in, for intent, nigh unto, of, which pertain to, that,
to (the end that), + together, to ([you]) -ward, unto, with (-in).
In comp. it denotes essentially the same applications, namely, motion towards, accession to, or nearness at.

G-1722. en, en;
a prim. prep. denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state),
and (by impl.) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e.
a relation of rest (intermediate between G-1519 and G-1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:--about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-) by (+ all means),
for (. . . sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-) in (-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-) on, [open-] ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, [speedi-] ly, X that, X there (-in, -on), through (-out), (un-) to(-ward), under, when, where (-with), while, with (-in).
Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import;
rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction,
except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) prep.

G-4862. sun, soon;
a prim. prep. denoting union; with or together
(but much closer than G-3326 or G-3844), i.e.
by a**ociation, companionship, process, resemblance, possession, instrumentality, addition etc.:--beside, with.
In composition, it has similar applications, includ. completeness.

G-4253. pro, pro;
a prim. prep.; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (fig. superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever.
In comp. it retains the same significations.

G-3844. para, par-ah';
a prim. prep.; prop. near, i.e. (with gen.) from beside (lit. or fig.),
(with dat.) at (or in) the vicinity of (obj. or subj.), (with acc.) to the proximity with (local [espec. beyond or opposed to] or causal [on account of]):--above, against, among, at, before, by, contrary to, X friend, from, + give [such things as they], + that [she] had, X his, in, more than, nigh unto, (out) of, past, save, side . . . by, in the sight of, than, [there-] fore, with.
In compounds it retains the same variety of application.

Hanged,
G-519. apagchomai, ap-ang'-khom-ahee;
from G-575 and  agcho (to choke; akin to the base of G-43);
to strangle oneself off (i.e. to death):--hang himself.

G-575. apo, apo';
a prim. particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; lit. or fig.):--(X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with.
In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation,
departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

G-43. agkale, ang-kal'-ay;
from  agkos (a bend, "ache"); an arm (as curved):--arm.

 

Take Note:
To the Fact That Strong's Used G-575 with Both Words,
Hanged and Repented

In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation,
departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.



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And concerning Strong's,

I didn't include Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
into my Body of Work, (At The First),

Because of His Methodist Bias,
I don't like the fact that he Uses (Way to often)
words Like, "Probably" prop.
among other reasons...!!!

I Only added His Body of work to My Web Site,
Because People don't like to hear others opinion,
and I've come to realise,
That They most definitely Don't want To hear My Opinion,
But, That Most rely on some kind of definition,
and to do with the Bible, That Strong's is as good as any...!!!

We haven't much to choose from...!!!

That Is Part of the Reason Why Not all the Words are Linked to Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries In My Concordance.

Only People and Places are Linked...!!!
The Other Reason is It is just to Large for just me to have linked them to date, 
Hopefully One day it will all be Linked

I Believe, People Should Just Use the Bible,
To Understand What God is Saying...!!!

But then there are People Who Don't even Understand Simple English...!!!

So, and For the Record, I reluctantly Added Strongs...

And Only at The end was it added



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or ... Judas hung himself.

literally.



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Yes He, "Judas" Hung Himself On The Tree of Life, Jesus...!!!

Literally



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Another Important Fact, concerning Judas,

Is, That, The Bible, The Text, God, Jesus,
Never in any Way shape or Form Indicates,
Implies, Insinuates, or eludes to anything even remotely close to the Fact that Judas Died, Is Dead, Pa**ed on, or Is in Hell ...!!!

Fact Is Nothing Is Said to This, Nothing...!!!

I Believe,
That there is what One might call "A Born Again" thing going on here.

The Book of Jude, Which also,
Strong's Indicates "Jude" means Judas,

This, Might be, Judas ...!!!
(Take Note to The Word Might.)

More is needed, at least for me, for this to be Fact,
But I'm Believing that it May Be True !

Jude 1:1
Jude,
the servant of Jesus Christ,
and brother of James,
to them that are sanctified by God the Father,
and preserved in Jesus Christ,
and called:
Jude 1:2
Mercy unto you,
and peace and love,
be multiplied.

Jude 1:3
Beloved,
when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation,
it was needful for me to write unto you,
and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares,
who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men,
turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God,
and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance,
though ye once knew this,
how that the Lord,
having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate,
but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh,
despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel,
when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses,
durst not bring against him a railing accusation,
but said,
The Lord rebuke thee.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not:
but what they know naturally,
as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:11
Woe unto them!

for they have gone in the way of Cain,
and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward,
and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jude 1:12
These are spots in your feasts of charity,
when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear:
clouds they are without water,
carried about of winds;
trees whose fruit withereth,
without fruit,
twice dead,
plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:13
Raging waves of the sea,
foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jude 1:16
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jude 1:17
But,
beloved,
remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves,
sensual,
having not the Spirit.

Jude 1:20
But ye,
beloved,
building up yourselves on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jude 1:22
And of some have compa**ion,
making a difference:
Jude 1:23
And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jude 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty,
dominion and power,
both now and for ever.

Amen.



Jude
,
G-2455. Ioudas, ee-oo-das';
of Heb. or. [H-3063]; Judas (i.e. Jehudah), the name of ten Isr.; also of the posterity of one of them and its region:--Juda (-h, -s); Jude.

H-3063. Yehuwdah, yeh-hoo-daw';
from H-3034; celebrated; Jehudah (or Judah), the name of five Isr.; also of the tribe descended from the first, and of its territory:--Judah.

H-3034. yadah, yaw-daw';
a prim. root; used only as denom.
from H-3027;
Literal or Literally. to use (i.e. hold out) the hand;
phys. to throw (a stone, an arrow) at or away;
espec. to revere or worship (with extended hands);
intens. to bemoan (by wringing the hands):
--cast (out), (make) confess (-ion), praise, shoot,
(give) thank (-ful, -s, -sgiving).

H-3027. yad, yawd;
a prim. word; a hand (the open one [indicating power, means, direction, etc.], in distinction from H-3709, the closed one); used (as noun, adv., etc.) in a great variety of applications, both lit. and fig., both proximate and remote [as follow]:-- (+ be) able, X about, + armholes, at, axletree, because of, beside, border, X bounty, + broad, [broken-] handed, X by, charge, coast, + consecrate, + creditor, custody, debt, dominion, X enough, + fellowship, force, X from, hand [-staves, -y work], X he, himself, X in, labour, + large, ledge, [left-] handed, means, X mine, ministry, near, X of, X order, ordinance, X our, parts, pain, power, X presumptuously, service, side, sore, state, stay, draw with strength, stroke, + swear, terror, X thee, X by them, X them-selves, X thine own, X thou, through, X throwing, + thumb, times, X to, X under, X us, X wait on, [way-] side, where, + wide, X with (him, me, you), work, + yield, X your-selves.

H-3709. kaph, kaf;
from H-3721; the hollow hand or palm (so of the paw of an animal, of the sole, and even of the bowl of a dish or sling, the handle of a bolt, the leaves of a palm-tree); fig. power:--branch, + foot, hand ([-ful], -dle, [-led]), hollow, middle, palm, paw, power, sole, spoon.

H-3721. kaphaph, kaw-faf';
a prim. root; to curve:--bow down (self).

Two Things,
First,
Where did Enoch, say anything,
about Jude 1:14-15..??

Two,
And Michael the archangel,
disputed about the body of Moses,

Where Is That...???


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Yes He, "Judas" Hung Himself On The Tree of Life, Jesus...!!!

Literally

And The Book Jude,

Might Be Judas,

Bursting asunder in the midst...!!!



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the answer is "No" to your question.

I'll provide scripture supporting and proving the answer if requested.

Don't want to come off as one of those one-liners.   :)


peace

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Never in any Way shape or Form Indicates,
Implies, Insinuates, or eludes to anything even remotely close to the Fact that Judas Died, Is Dead, Pa**ed on, or Is in Hell ...!!!

What bible have you been reading?

Ac 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.Ac 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.Ac 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.Ac 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.Ac 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

What makes your statement even more ridiculous is this one you also made:

"I Believe, People Should Just Use the Bible,
To Understand What God is Saying...!!!

But then there are People Who Don't even Understand Simple English...!!!"

How much more simple does Acts 1 have to get?

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Matthew 27:3
Then Judas,
which had betrayed him,
when he saw that he was condemned,
repented himself,
and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Matthew 27:4
Saying,
I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.

And they said,
What is that to us?

see thou to that.

Matthew 27:5
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed,
and went and hanged himself.

 

Matthew 27:3
Then Judas,
which had betrayed him, (And Haven't we All "betrayed him",
read again Mark 14:27 and 14:50)
when he saw that he was condemned,
repented himself,
and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Matthew 27:4
Saying,
I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.
(Acknowledgement And Confession,)

And they said,
What is that to us?

see thou to that. (Something "An Act" Judas must Do.)

Matthew 27:5 (Action)
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed,
and went and hanged himself.

 

You maybe right?
God was as much a failure as Judas was. (sarcasm
It appears as though God didn't Know what was gonna happen,
And Didn't Know Judas was gonna screw up and get Jesus Killed...!!!
(sarcasm)

What ever was he thinking...???

And then to Lose Judas after he said,

Luke 15:3
And he spake this parable unto them,
saying,

Luke 15:4
What man of you,
having an hundred sheep,
if he lose one of them,
doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness,
and go after that which is lost,
until he find it?

Luke 15:5
And when he hath found it,
he layeth it on his shoulders,
rejoicing.

Luke 15:6
And when he cometh home,
he calleth together his friends and neighbours,
saying unto them,
Rejoice with me;
for I have found my sheep which was lost.

Luke 15:7
I say unto you,
that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth,
more than over ninety and nine just persons,
which need no repentance.

Judas Was Forgiven, and Saved,
and it's read here, How and Why,

Acts 1:15
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples,
and said,
(the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Acts 1:16
Men and brethren,
this scripture must needs have been fulfilled,
which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas,
which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Acts 1:17
For he was numbered with us,
and had obtained part of this ministry.

Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity;
and falling headlong,
he burst asunder in the midst,
and all his bowels gushed out.

Acts 1:19
And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem;
insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue,
Aceldama,
that is to say,
The field of blood.

Acts 1:20
For it is written in the book of Psalms,
Let his habitation be desolate,
and let no man dwell therein:
and his bishoprick let another take.

To break from the Others was a good thing,
They were not Right,
To be Stuck where they were, was Not 100% correct,
(Not by a Long Shot)
So to break from them, Was a Good thing,
You and just about everybody else see's that Judas Went from Good to worse...!!!

I see it the other way around, He went from Bad to Perfect, And the Fact he repented, Proves that...!!!

Now concerning,
The Hanging, And his Bowels Gushing out,

That is Like I said,
Hanging himself On Jesus,
and Going headlong into Jesus,
His Heart Gushed out, Preaching Jesus,
(bursting asunder in the midst)...!!!

Judas is every One of Us,
that has betrayed Christ,
and Repented and began Preaching Jesus...!!!

That is the Way I see it,
God didn't mess up,
No he didn't because had Judas not done what he did Jesus would not have died and Our Sin would not have been Forgiven...!!!

Judas did mess up, but,
seen the error of his way and repented, As Do We (Hopefully)...!!!

Judas Is all Of Us, Both Past, Present and To Be ...!!!



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