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Message posted by Frank_G on July 14 2009 at 8:57 am - IP Logged
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More than 30 governments have made requests to Novartis to supply them with influenza A(H1N1) vaccine ingredients. These are a combination of pre-existing pandemic vaccine supply agreements and new requests for vaccines across all our production platforms including egg-based manufacturing. The US Department of Health and Human Service's $289 million order in May 2009[1] with Novartis was the largest of the US government's commitments to influenza A(H1N1) vaccine ingredients. That order included Novartis proprietary adjuvant MF59®, which can be added to influenza vaccines to help stimulate the human body's immune response to the vaccine.

http://www.novartis.com/newsroom/media-releases/en/2009/1322241.shtml


We have recently reported that, in addition to pristane (Satoh et al., 1995Go; Satoh and Reeves, 1994Go), IFA and squalene, but not medicinal mineral oils, can induce lupus-related anti-nRNP/Sm and –Su autoantibodies in non-autoimmune-prone strains of mice (Satoh et al., 2003aGo). These data suggest that hydrocarbons can have a variety of immune effects.

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/78/2/222




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Luke 21. When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately." 10 Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. 12 "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name's sake. 13 "It will lead to an opportunity for your testimony. 14 "So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves; 15 for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.

It of interest how the same folks who turn to the bible to deny global warming are the same people who turn away from the bible in how they deal with the potential swine flu epidemic about to sweep the world ... but I guess it's politics as usual .... 



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Message posted by Gizmo on July 18 2009 at 9:36 am - IP Logged
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I just watched I Am Legend, so that is enough talk of vaccines and pandemics, thank you very much :-)

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Just watched Speilburgs Munich. Kind of a hopeless premise concerning terrorism. Good movie though.

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I didn't really care for Munich...too dark.  But it was a well made film...

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munich ... great beer ... great town ... people really get excited there ... and they know how to have a great time ...

 



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Message posted by Frank_G on August 13 2009 at 10:31 am - IP Logged
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Two hours later, after a flurry of phone calls starting with NHS Direct, both our children had been prescribed Tamiflu.

Once the first dose had been administered, however, all that quickly changed.

James's temperature, which up to that point had been kept at normal levels with Calpol, rocketed. His appetite disappeared and when his raging thirst finally persuaded him to drink some milk, he vomited so spectacularly that we are still struggling to clear up the stains several weeks later.

For the next day he barely moved, except to be sick every time he had so much as a sip of water. We had never seen him so ill, and because he was unable to keep anything in his stomach, there was no way of controlling his temperature with paracetamol.

His fever was reaching dangerous levels and we were becoming seriously worried about dehydration. Thankfully - though we did not see it this way at the time - James is nothing if not a character.

He knew what was making him ill - the Tamiflu - and he fought tooth and nail to resist taking the drug.

Producing the packet of pills was the only thing that could rouse him from listless torpor.

In the end, we gave up. Almost immediately, his symptoms cleared up and he was back to being our happy little boy.

Jessica, however, has always been of a gentler disposition. Perhaps it is a simple matter of gender, but she is delightfully eager to please, and even after the pills started to kick in it did not take too much wheedling for her to take them.

Indeed, for a few hours all seemed well. Until we were woken in the early hours of the morning by the sound of Jessica screaming, between deep, heaving dry retches: 'I don't like the pills, Daddy! Please don't make me have the pills!'

She was hallucinating, sobbing and more upset than I have ever seen her. Eventually she rocked herself to sleep in my arms, only to wake up an hour later and repeat the process.

In the morning, exhausted, my wife sought advice from our GP.

James had made his own decision, but we were encouraged to carry on with Jessica's course.

Pills were smothered in chocolate sauce, but she was no longer to be so easily fooled.

In the end, it took the promise of a trip to the toy shop and a river of tears before she, with typical sweetness, obliged and swallowed them.

That night, however, the screams and violent retching returned. By now she was begging, pleading not to be given any more pills. We cracked. Enough was enough. The Tamiflu went in the dustbin.

So what happened when we defied government advice and eschewed Tamiflu in favour of Calpol and cuddles? Within 24hours both of our children were completely recovered, save for those runny noses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1206215/Tamiflu-turned-children-hallucinating-sobbing-wrecks.html?ITO=1490


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now let's see if frank_g can answer this:

it is known that vacines such as polio and others can trigger adverse reactions in a small minority of people (say 1%). So do you stop all vacinations (putting everyone at risk of polio) for the sake of the 1%?

so frank-g ... would you stop vacination for small pox, polio, and others if 1% of the people have adverse reactions ....

let's put it into perspective: say in the USA the tamiflu vacine is effective in 95% of the cases with adverse reactions in 1% (adverse even to the point of death). So the USA facing a pandemic needs to vacinate 150,000,000 US citizens, which if no vacination occurs could result in the the sickness and death of millions of Americans ..

so frank_g ... you make the decision .... do you put the entire nation at risk in order to make 1% safe ...

 



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A new report has been released in which the effectiveness of flu vaccinations is queried. Focusing on their performance within the elderly, the report a**erts that no data exists to suggest that yearly flu jabs prevent those involved from contracting significant illnesses in future years.

Those behind the report conceded that flu stood as an "important contributor" towards illnesses including emphysema and bronchitis. However, they added, no marked difference was noticed in the frequency of either condition within those that had had vaccinations, and those who pa**ed on them.


The report a**essed 3,970 pensioners aged from 65 up to 89 - making a comparison between those had been hospitalised, and if, prior to this, they had been immunised against flu. Even when factors such as age, gender and severity of illness had been taken into account, the researchers discovered hospitalisations for emphysema and bronchitis were just as probable.

http://www.pharmaceutical-int.com/news/2007/10/25/flu-vaccinations-in-elderly-may-not-be-effective.asp


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ok ... so frank_g is telling the USA that as regards the the potential swine flu epidemic, other than washing your hands, nothing has to be done.

so there you have it. nothing to worry about ...



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