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Message posted by marco256 on August 17 2009 at 8:02 am - IP Logged
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It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

    * More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
    * 500 cases of GBS were detected.
    * The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
    * The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
    * The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

the above is an interesting post in that the 1976 outbreak never occurred. The attached link is of interest:

http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

but frank_g now has dug himself into a deep hole:

1. in 1976 (32 years ago) there was one case and one death.

2. in 2008 there has already been over 70,000  known swine flu cases world wide with 1,000's of deaths. Follow the attached link to see how the H1N1 flu is already a world wide pandemic.

http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&q=h1n1+deaths&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=M3CJSsDmBY6YMZWmnfsO&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1

so now frank_g has the evidence .... so based on 1976 with 1 case and 1 death compared with the current situation, frank decides to do nothing at all. I'd say that frank_g, like his good friend nitrio, is suffering from a form of delusional thinking that would put the entire nation at risk.

this single post is of interest for those who wish to practice their critical thinking skills. Compare the situation of 1976 to 2009. For someone to use 1976 as a basis for their thinking today, it calls into question that person's ability to think critically on any issue.

The issue is of interest in that Christ tells us that we shall all know the truth and the truth shall set you free ... so frank_g: are you still willing to equate the situation in 1976 to today? Once more, at issue are politcal Christians who's minds are so politically clouded they cannot even think critically. That puts them on the same level as dimrod and his babylonian family of gods.

So thanks frank for allowing me to prove (again) how someone like dimrod is simply a caricature of many others who allow secondary agendas to set their political christian in the world points of view.



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These are the number of US deaths.

The number of influenza-a**ociated (i.e., flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons often fluctuate in length and severity. CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States. This figure includes people dying from complications of flu. This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medication a**ociation (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10]. Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000.

In 2009, CDC published additional estimates of flu-related deaths comparing different methods, including the methods used in the 2003 JAMA study. The seasons studied included the 1993-94 through the 2002-03 flu seasons [9]. Results from this study showed that during this time period, 36,171 flu-related deaths occurred per year, on average.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm


These numbers are global for swine flu.

As of July 31, the total number of victims killed by the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, stood at 1,154 -- an increase of 338 since WHO's previous update on July 27.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/swine.flu.deaths/

36,000 US annually vs 1,100 global. Let's generate more panic.


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so frank_g is admitting that his 1976 comparison is off.

1. he is admitting that regular flu cause deaths

2. now we are facing an additional world wide flu epidemic (in addition to what already exists.).

now, here is something for frank_g to think about. the 1916 flu epidemic which killed millions started off as a harmless flu virus. The issue was that the flu strain rapidly mutated into a virulent form. That is the present issue. Recently scientests have noticed:

1. the swine flu has spread more rapidly than anticipated despite efforts to curtail it; and

2. it is mutating into a more virulent form with increasing death rates that can ber plotted and graphed.

so frank_g, should the USA do nothing in face of 1 and 2?

now israel is a nation that faces constant war and even chemical & nuclear weapons threat. Israel is not a nation to panic, so frank ... has Israel got it wrong?

Israel to order first NIS 20m. batch of swine flu vaccine for early 2010. Health Ministry now says 4 have died from the virus

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131132

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3762900,00.html

Rabbis call fast over swine flu  / Ynet
Leading rabbis call on public to hold day of fasting in order to combat spread of epidemic in Israel
Full story

http://www.port2port.com/Index.asp?CategoryID=46&ArticleID=2208

Aug 7, 2009 15:57 | Updated Aug 9, 2009 16:18

Health Ministry: 2,000 Israelis have H1N1

However, the ministry estimated that the actual number of people infected with the H1N1 virus in Israel was much higher, due to carriers who have not yet been tested. Health Ministry Director-General Prof. Avi Yisraeli told Israel Radio on Sunday that thousands of Israelis have most probably contracted swine flu and mistaken it for regular flu.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1249418549636

so frank_g ... while the israelis prepare, what should the USA do?

come on frank_g, are you going to accept responsibilty for doing nothing while the swine flu spreads globally .... are you implying that you do not enough have enough sense to understand what the basic issue is: the swine flu (like a a huricain) is headed for the USA ... are you telling the US public that they have nothing to fear?

Meanwhile, the (Israeli) Health Ministry continues to make preparations for this winter, when a serious flu outbreak is expected to take place.

On Sunday it was made public that the Health Ministry's Emergency Unit had instructed hospitals to prepare for 14,000 deaths from swine flu complications, an equal number of admissions at the peak of the outbreak, and some 1.8 million visits to local HMOs. (note the population of the USA is some 40 times that of israel).

According to the scenario, only 5% of people ill with swine flu will arrive at hospitals.

On Saturday, the Health Ministry signed an agreement on to purchase H1N1 vaccines from Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis, about a week after it struck a similar NIS 7 million ($1.85 million) deal with French manufacturer Sanofi Pasteur.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3762900,00.html



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now I'd like to clarify something for my political christian friends. Now up here in Quebec they will probably make the regular and swine flu vaccine avaible for free (isn't universal health care dangerous .... vacinated people for free ..... ). Now will I bother to get myself vacinated? Probably not, because i couldn't be bothered. Would I tell others not to do so ... no way; that's their own business, not mine.

Should anyone be unprepared? You would have to be a total fool not to take the situation seriously and not to be prepared.

However, what's the real issue ... well I like to stick with the script (which is why you would have to be a total fool not to take the current situation including political events, global warming, etc., seriously ... drob should follow his own advice ... God is in charge and He's sending us all His latest update ..):

"See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, `I am He,' and, `The time is near.' Do not go after them. 9 "When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately." 10 Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. ... while this is a description of the tribulation, we all know that bible phrocey is past, present, and future ... so the warnings are here and now ...

2 Thessalonians 2:7  

2 Timothy 3:1-5

so frank_g perhaps you are missing the signs ....

http://www.bible-prophecy.com/heavens.htm

so the real issues for christians isn't physical life or death ( Philippians 1:23)....

2 Corinthians 13:5

Matthew 7:22

so frank_g: your politcal agenda is simply pointing people away from the cross .... what's worse, it;s got your eyes off focus ... you should be more cross-eyed ....



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hey frank_g still think the H1N1 virus isn't worth bothering about ... that the USA shouldn't have bothered about it ...

Ministry warns of new round of A/H1N1 influenza outbreak in China  ý - 1 day ago

SA braces for 2nd H1N1 outbreak  

Johannesburg - A second outbreak of H1N1 flu
 
A second wave of the virus had already hit the USA, Europe and Britain with ...
 
 
 
 
Ukraine Mystery Outbreak Sparks WHO Concern as Disease Spreads
 
Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent a team of experts to Ukraine today to investigate an outbreak of respiratory disease that’s sickened a quarter of a million people and left pharmacies without masks or flu remedies.

A group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers is scheduled to arrive tonight in Kiev, Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva, said in a telephone interview today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aho.pJfVAysE&pos=9

according to old frank the USA should have simply sat back and done nothing at all. Perhaps he was correct after all .... if you want to cut welfare roles there is nothing like a good old fashioned pandemic. Then toss in privatized medical care and all you will have left in the USA is white, healthy rich people. Need workers, no problem, just build robots  .... so who needs a millenium kingdom when you're Star Trek star struck ....

 


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