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Message posted by POC777 on November 17 2008 at 12:44 pm - IP Logged
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In Genesis 3, we read about the conversation Eve and Satan had about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Satan by his cunningness deceives Eve and Adam using them to bring sin into this world.

Yesterday at church I had a discussion with a sister in Christ and said Satan had sex with Eve in Eden. She told me this because she heard it from a pastor that when we read in the original Hebrew or Greek, will give us more insight.

I told her this comes from the Roman Catholic Church. Priests are taught that Satan had sex with Eve in Eden and even made a book out of this. This book is given to young woman! I continued by telling her althrough out the centuries woman been mistreate because of this deception.

Women are the first to experience the resurrected Christ and not men(Matthew 28:1-8).

Yet they are not included in this early Creed dated 50-60 AD(1 Cor 15:3-8)

We don't know why but I believe it all goes back to Eden because the Jews believed women were easily deceived.

First, Satan does not have flesh and bones he is an angel(2 Cor 11:14).

Movies have depicted him as a beast having sex with woman or the opposite, it is unbiblical.

However, in Matthew 4, Jesus might've seen Satan as human.

Angels are spirit beings and can't be seen in this realm(Hebrews 1:7). However, the LORD has opened the eyes of people in the Old Testament and have been seen(see 2 Kings 2) and in New Testament as well(Luke 2:9-13)

Second, these verses teach Eve got deceived and never have sexual intercourse with Satan(2 Cor 11:3; 1 Timothy 2:14).

The word deceive is sometimes translated as "seduce"(see KJV 1 John 2:26).

The word seduce doesn't always mean having sexual intercourse but someone who easily a prey to people by their craftiness.

Third, Satan was the serpent and an animal can't have sex with a human being because God created them distinct(Genesis 3:1; Rev 12:9).

Animals are different than us they don't get tempted with lust!

I explained to her in Eden sin did not exist and the serpent--Satan did not have sex with Eve but was deceived because he already had sin prior to Eden.

What do you think?

 



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 I wood agree with u except for 1 point. Scripture does point out that angels had sex with humans and thats how giants came to be.

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Pastor

I also agree "sons of God" had sex with the "daughters of men" because they are fair and as we read in Genesis 6.

That is a different study for some other time!



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If God is higher than angels and angels higher than Man is then God is higher than both angels and Man - Son of the Most High

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If Eve had sex with Satan before eating the apple, that would have been the first sin, wouldn't it?

If it's not there, don't a**ume it.

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Quote: Originally posted by D Rob on November 17 2008


If Eve had sex with Satan before eating the apple, that would have been the first sin, wouldn't it?

Yes, that is why it never happened because no imperfections existed in Eden. Evil was not present in Eden only good! God created the heaven and the earth with everything in them good or perfect.

Lucifer was already in Eden and we don't know when he fell into sin.

There was no lust, sexual immorality or any perversion.

But when he fell into sin he became evil and brought evil into Eden.

He was just waiting for the right moment to use a bait to corrupt God's original creation. After God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I believe Satan took advantage of our first parents and used Eve.

If it's not there, don't a**ume it.

Exactly, whatever is not in the Bible should be rejected as falsehood because God didn't inspire it.




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If God is higher than angels and angels higher than Man is then God is higher than both angels and Man - Son of the Most High

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      ANGELS DO NOT HAVE A DUTY FOR REPRODUCTION;THEREFORE, THEY DO NOT DO ANY SEXUAL DUTY. JESUS TAUGHT IT CLEARLY IN MATEO 22:30. "FOR IN THE RESURRECTION THEY  NEITHER MARRY,NOR ARE GIVEN IN MARRIAGE, BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN."

Also see Mark 12:25. "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

This might be one reason why the rapture have taken a great deal of time. Because there is no reproduction in heaven and the number of people saved will be the eternal number of heavenly bodies for all eternity.

This doctrine mentioned by ruforhim is simply false according to what Jesus taught in the two verses of scripture above. I suspect the word angel read in connection to births is a mistake of translation. I believe Jesus teaching on the subject above do not proved births caused by angels which are spirits.

POC777 comments above are more belieable.

 



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1God1Lord look up for urself u will see its not a false teaching. POC gave u the text.

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Do you have a reasonable explaination for Genesis 6 about the "sons of God"?



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If God is higher than angels and angels higher than Man is then God is higher than both angels and Man - Son of the Most High

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POCQOT: Do you have a reasonable explaination for Genesis 6 about the "sons of God"?

That is easy to explain...

The "sons of God" were a group of HUMANS God was working with at that time. (See SETH) God was working with the descendants of Seth at that time just as he is NOW working with the descendants of Jacob. Those people choose intermarriage with "daughters of men' that were worshiping false gods.

The term 'sons of God' is nothing unknown to any of you - as Jesus instructed His followers to address God as "Father". Jews today understand that they are the children of God, as do some Christians.

Intermarriage is allowed when the 'daughter' or 'son' of mankind repents & becomes a child of God (See RUTH). At that point is isn't even really intermarriage - as "God is not a respecter of persons".

Please notice the big mistake all the "angel-sex-giants" people make:

Genesis 6:1-4
1 Now it came to pa**, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
(This is speaking of the Sons of SETH as I explained above)

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

(NOTICE: the giants were already around! There were not a result of some sort of impossible angel/human sex act - they were ALREADY here BEFORE these mixed marriages. "AFTERWARD" the sons of God (descendants of SETH) choose mixed marriages with unbelievers)

Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

(And 120 years later along comes NOAH...)
...9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

...this is telling us Noah choose a woman for wive that was following the way of God. He did not marry a idol worshiper - as Noah was still walking with God. Everyone else on earth (at that point) had COMPROMISED their way of life & was no longer "walking in the way of God".

THE MORAL OF THIS TRUE STORY:
Don't compromise with Gods way of life.

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 In Gen. 18:1-3 we're told that the Lord and two other men appeared unto Abraham. --vs.16 says And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.-- the Lord was sending these two men "angels" to Sodom to destroy it.

These two men were angels, -Gen.19:12-13

12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: 13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

vss.15-16 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. 16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

notice that the two angels had taken the appearence of men.

Paul said in Heb.13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

So according to the Word of God, "angels" did take the appearence of men from time to time as God chose to do so, but there is no scripture at all that says that "angels and humans" could produce people, nor do angels produce other angels, God created the number of angels He so chose and thats all there will be.

 



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