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Message posted by NiTr0_FiSh on July 04 2009 at 4:32 pm - IP Logged
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Did the Sabbath change when going from Julian Calendar of Christ's time to today's Calendar?
Watch and find out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvmitOUl67c


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Nitro,
which is the definitive scripture re teh "10 commandments"
Ex 20:2-17, Ex34:11:27, or 5:6-12?

Also, it It seems they are normally given in a redacted version; when it comes to the sabath, for example, why do christians cut out the parts about making your slaves keep the sabath?

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Nitro -

Col. 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--

Rom. 14:5 - One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

There is no Sabbath law for the Christian.

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Hi Guys,

Joe - The 10 are listed in Ex 20:2-17, while Ex 34:11:27 proves the 10 are just a summary - as Ex 34:11:27 brings in much more. I like to think of the 10 as the constitution for the Kingdom of God.
P.S. - not sure what book 5:6-12 referred to.
P.P.S. - Included 2 tablets pic for all those Christians that love the 10 commandments, but hate God's Law.    < huh?

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Dee - Context helps one understand the people of Colossia were pagans. These were Greeks & paganized Northern House Israelite exiles. Repenting of paganism & turning to God's way of life in such a culture would provoke extreme peer pressure.

Now once more - put into proper context:
Col. 2:16 - So let no pagan judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, 17 which all point to the future, but are rooted deep in Messiah --

Once a pagan stops fornicating with the local temple prostitutes, starts keeping a kosher Leviticus 11 diet and attending weekly & annual Sabbaths (Holy Days) - pagan buddies & pagan family members just might get a wee bit judgmental over all of this!

Matthew 10:34-35
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Romans 15:10
And again he says:
“ Rejoice, O Gentiles, WITH His people!”
(not separate but equal - or - under different rules,
but WITH God's people - with Israel.
)

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn,
and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you,
and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29
Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said,
Of a truth I perceive that God is NO respecter of persons:

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Shabbat Shalom Ntro_fish,

Quite honestly, No the Shabbat has not changed but we are no longer restrained to worship YHVH on just a given day. We need the physical rest that the Shabat was designed for but our worship is to be at all times, in all places and continuously.

Ministry servies matter not!
We can conduct those at any time. They were NEVER a part of keeping the Shabbat but were added by men.
On the seventh day; on the Shabbat did YHVH teach, preach or minister in anyway, shape or form? No HE rested. HE took a break from what HE was doing. This is the logic of the Shabbat. We are to get rest at least one day a week. We need at least that much to rejuvenate our bodies, our minds and most importantly our SPIRIT.

In Y'SHUA ALL of The Torah has been fulfilled. Which part of ALL did He NOT fulfill?
To "require" that we keep ANY part of The Torah is to say that He was NOT The CHRIST; the One Anointed by YHVH to fulfill The Scriptures and to set the captives free.

In the physical world He fulfilled the first four feast.
At His death the feast of Rosh Hashanah has started.
During this SPIRITual Rosh Hashanah we are all to examine our selves, see if we have any sin or ought towards any other including YHVH and get it cleared up (so to speak) through the sacrifice of The Lamb of YHVH; the Peasch offering. Then when the SPIRITual Yom Kippur happens and the final shofar is sounded The CHRIST will return to finish what He started and thereby become The MESSIAH as He "delivers" YHVH's people back to HIM; as He returns that which was lost. Then the Eternal party begins!
Then the final Sukkot starts as we eternally tabernacle with YHVH.

SPIRITually this has been fulfilled and yet physically it is still in the process.
In the Greek the word for salvation is Sozo and it is an "ongoing" word, which is to say that it indicates that there is a continuing process happening. When the process is complete and only when it is complete, is it possible for us to say that we are "saved", in the past tense.
Until then as The Scriptures indicate clearly we are still in that process...
Rom 13:11. And this, since we know the season, that this is the moment now for you to be raised up from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. (Power New Testament (PNT)
or if you prefer we can read the same thing in the KJV...
Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.
"nearer" but yet not here!

SPIRITually "ALL" of The Torah has been fulfilled!
Physically "ALL" of The Torah has been fulfilled except the final three feasts and one is in the process.

The Shabbat is still the seventh day of the week and we need to rest at least one day out of every seven but we are to worship YHVH at all times and in all that we do not just one lonely day per seven.
Again using the PNT, Paul makes this position abundantly clear when he states...
Gal 2:15. We are natural Jewish people and not sinners from the heathens:   16. but, since we know that man is not justified because of works of tradition, but only through faith in Jesus Messiah, we too have believed in Messiah Jesus, so that we would be made righteous by faith in Messiah and not by works of legalism, because no one will be made righteous by works of legalism.   17. But if, while we seek to be made righteous in Messiah then are found to be sinners, then is Messiah a servant of sin? God forbid!   18. For if I build again these things which I destroyed, I have established myself a transgressor.   19. For I died through Torah to legalistic tradition, so that I shall live for God. I have been crucified with Messiah:   20. then I no longer live, but Messiah lives in me: but now although I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, the One Who loves me and has given Himself over on my behalf.   21. I did not cancel the grace of God: for if I am in righteousness through legalism, then Messiah died in vain.
Neither this nor Paul's original argument were ever just about circumcision either but about the entire Torah "requirements". Most CHRISTians still adhere to a part of the Law and never even realize it because of "tradition". The Tithe! It is NOT "required" by the brit hadash; New Testament, congregations!

There is but one "requirement" of YHVH to "ALL" of HIS children; to HIS Sons...
Deut 6:4 "Sh'ma, Yisra'el! ADONAI Eloheinu, ADONAI echad [Hear, Isra'el! ADONAI our God, ADONAI is one]; 5 and you are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart, all your being and all your resources.

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You have a BIG BIG Problem Nitro

As Paul says if you try to keep the law you have to keep ALL of it

That means no images of man or beast in your temple or on the coins and money you use .... absolutely none whatsoever ....

And no shrimp, lobster, pork or work of any kind on Saturday either

 

And that means no



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Nitro

 

What do you do with Romans 14: 5?

5: One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6: He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.



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Romans 14: 5

5: One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6: He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.



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Jesus didn't seem to concerned about keeping the sabbath:

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.Joh 5:17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

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