Quote: Originally posted by Pastor Eric on November 06 2009

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Shalom,

Scripture references are from,
The SET (Stone Edition Tanach) or the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) for the OT
and the PNT (Power New Testament ) for the NT unless otherwise specified.

Hbr 13:5 For He said, “I will not abandon you and I will not ever forsake you,” (Dt 31:6, Jos 1:5)     6. so that we are confident to say,
   “The Lord is my helper,
      and I will not be afraid,
   what will man do to me?” (Ps 118:6)

As I look through this final chapter of the book written to the Hebrews I can see an almost random nature to it. It can appear as if the writer is just skipping back and forth through what he has written to make sure that he ties up all loose ends before he mails (sends) it. It is easier to accept this view if paragraphs are placed in different locations in one's reading of this. Understanding that the punctuation and paragraphs, which we so quickly accept today as standard, were first inserted in 1551 and not by the original writers themselves gives us the leeway to change things as I am suggesting! It also helps us to make sense of some comments that really make little to no sense if you are not either a Jew or one who reads The Scriptures in order to "Study to shew thyself approved" (2 Tim 2:15 - KJV).

As I look at this chapter I could easily disjoint this pa**age to read...
Hbr 13:5 For He YHVH said (...), “I will not abandon you and I will not ever forsake you,” (Dt 31:6, Jos 1:5)     6. so that we are confident to say,
   “The Lord is my helper,
      and I will not be afraid,
   what will man do to me?” (Ps 118:6)
I could easily just remove these verses and allow them to stand by themselves as they are, with the first "HE" replaced by the word "YHVH" as I have added as an aid for our understanding as to whom HE is and the separation "(...)" between the introductory portion and the balance of the pa**age. I could easily extract this pa**age and make a sign to hang on the wall inside my house.
Could you?
Am I loony or can you see how this could be done as well?
     
For He YHVH said (...), “I will not abandon you and I will not ever forsake you,”
so that we are confident to say,
   “The Lord is my helper, and I will not be afraid, what will man do to me?”

So with that said take the time to notice verrrrry carefully that which YHVH is saying.
HE will never leave nor forsake you!
Take note however of what HE did NOT say as well. HE did NOT say that YOU would not or could not ever leave HIM! In fact we have seen throughout the New Testament; the brit hadash, that it is entirely possible for YOU to choose to no longer look to YHVH for your salvation; to no longer follow the leading of HIS HOLY SPIRIT; to no longer allow HIS WORD to be true in your life.
It is entirely possible for YOU to ignore the example of a HOLY life; which is a life totally dedicated to YHVH as you have seen through the life of YHVH's Firstborn Son, Y'SHUA and to walk YOUR own way!
It is entirely possible!

I have heard some state something to the effect...
I would NEVER turn from YHVH! I would NEVER forsake HIS ways and teachings!
Yeah...well let’s put you in a garden late at night and tell you that you are about to be put in an old Roman style of prison; be beaten and then nailed to a cross for no reason other than the fact that you believe the brit hadash to be true and then actually enforce this and we'll watch to see how you stand behind your words! Okay?
Let's put you literally and totally into what we call the "Pa**ion Week" just to see how much you really believe what you say?
Let's see how as you hang and die upon the cross you trust that YHVH will never forsake you and more importantly how YOU would never forsake HIM!

When faced with this very same scenario Y'SHUA said...
Lk 22:42. saying, “Father, if You are willing You must now take this cup from Me: nevertheless not My will, but Yours must continually be done.”
It was NOT the will nor the desire of Y'SHUA to go through this and yet YOU think you could handle it?

In the midst of His crucifixion Y'SHUA proclaimed to YHVH...
Mt 27:46. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice saying in Hebrew, “Eli! Eli! L’mah sh’vaktani?” This is, “My God! My God! Why have You utterly forsaken Me?” (Ps 22:1)

How long do you really think it would take you to make such a proclamation?
I am not trying to discourage you but to get you to take a realistic stance!
The Scriptures declare that you COULD choose to turn from YHVH. Be real with your self and with others and see that you really could!
That it is possible for you or others to still reject YHVH.
Also be real enough to see that HE would still love and care for you and desire for you to still turn again to HIM, to call upon HIM and to trust HIM for your salvation. That it is not, "what you can do"; that it is not about whether you would or would not turn from or forsake HIM but it is that HE will never turn from nor forsake you.
Even if you did turn from HIM HE is looking to see you when you come home again...
Lk 15:17. And then he came to himself and said, ‘How many hired hands of my father abound in food, but I am dying here in a famine.    18. When I get up I will go to my father and I will say to him, “Father, I sinned against heaven and before you,     19. I am no longer worthy to be called your son: you must make me as one of your hired hands.’”    20. Then after he got up he went to his own father. And while he was still a great distance away his father saw him and was sympathetic and then he ran and fell upon his neck and kissed him. (The Prodigal Son)
YHVH will never forsake you!

The question HE desires to know of us is NOT will you ever forsake HIM but what would you do if you did turn from HIM?
Acts 13:22. and after He removed him He raised David for them as king, of whom He also said when He bore testimony, ‘I found David the son of Jesse, a man according to My heart, who will do all My will.’ (1Sam 16:12,13, Ps 89:20, Is 44:28)
Would YHVH say this of you?
Would you return to HIM?
Would you continually seek after HIM; after the heart of YHVH?
Would it deeply bother you?
Would you wallow in your decision and self pity or would you look to the Heavens for your salvation?
Rev 12:7. And there was a war in heaven, Michael (Dn 10:13,21, 12:1) and his angels made war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels battled,    8. but he was not strong enough and a place for them was still not found in heaven.    9. And the great dragon, the old serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, the one who deceived the entire inhabited world, was cast to the earth, (Is 14:12) and his angels were cast with him.    10. And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying,
   “Now has come the salvation and the power
      and the kingdom of our God
      and the authority of His Messiah,
   because the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down,
      the one who had accused them before our God
        day and night. (Job 1:9-11, Zch 3:1)
11.   And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb
      and because of the word of their testimony
   and they did not love their life even to the enduring of death itself.

Some will endure such a battle, others will not!
Those who do will finally see their salvation come!
They do not yet have their salvation; it is still but a Promise of YHVH to come but they are Believers (Rom 13:11).
They Believe that YHVH will do the things that HE has said that HE will do. They have faith!
They Believe that HE has already provided HIS final Yom Kippur Lamb to atone for their sins.
Now they await the return of The HIGH PRIEST from behind The Heavenly veil signifying the completion of the offering and the acceptance of the offering.
While they are waiting, they fight!
They battle with the world, with satan actually and with their self. Some may die along the way while still holding strongly on to the Belief that YHVH will never forsake them. Others will turn from their Belief and die trying to save their self. Yet others may never taste of death and endure until the return of their salvation; until the return of The CHRIST to fulfill the final three feasts that YHVH had given to Israel as a sign of things to come. They shall endure the fight until Y'SHUA's return, not as The CHRIST but as The MESSIAH, the One who will bring them their salvation!

Rom 13:8. You must continually not owe anything to anyone except love to one another: for the one who loves the other has fulfilled Torah.    9. Truly “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” (Ex 20:13-15, 17) and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Lv 19:18)     10. Love does not work evil to the neighbor: therefore love is fulfillment of Torah.
   13:11. And this, since we know the season, that this is the moment now for you to be raised up from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.     12. The night has advanced, and the day has drawn near. Therefore we should put off the works of darkness, and we should put on the weapons of light.
Rosh Hashanah; the time of self examination is here! See if you have any ought towards another; see if you have any sin within your life and make amends.
Yom Kippur is drawing nigh when the final shofar is blown; the offering is made and completed before YHVH.
When The HIGH PRIEST appears or should I say, shortly after Y'SHUA appears Sukkot; the Feast of Tabernacles; the time of eternal partying will begin!

YHVH has sent out all of HIS invitations at that point and received all of HIS RSVP's.
Did you return HIS offering of love or is your invitation still sitting on the table?
Is it lost upon your desk to be completed later?
Have you already trashed it?
It's not too late!
Pick up your cell phone and call YHVH.
HE is anticipating your response to HIS offering?
What say ye?

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Quote: By what authority are you endowed with the wisdom to change punctuation to make scripture "SAY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO" ???

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1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, [let him speak] as the oracles of God; if any man minister, [let him do it] as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Second as I pointed out the punctuation was not in the original text so from that we may conclude that we are allowed to put it any where. No one gave the KJV translators any more authority than I have. Nor were they given some special permission. You fail to understand that the KJV (and all subsequent translations off of the Textus Receptus) is a corrupted text. It maybe or maybe not corrupted in or because of it's punctuation or lack thereof however but that is for another day!

The point is that we have to first remove the punctuation to see if there are other possible meanings to be found and then compare those with other verses to gain a better understanding of what "MAY" be correct. Then we take what are common translations and compare those with old manuscripts and fragments along next to The most original Torah Text that we have known as The Stone Edition Tanach and we can discover that most New testaments have many errors which have corrupted CHRISTianity in many different ways. Such corruptions as the one you hold by the neck, that of eternal security. The ONLY security is found in the presence of YHVH and until you either die or are physically raptured you will NEVER be secure in HIM because you will not be in HIS presence yet. You may have HIS presence in and with you but that is not the same as standing in The Heavens with HIM. Until you are there, you will still have temptations all around you and thus the possibility exist that you could fall into temptations. That is why Y'SHUA stated that...
Lk 9:23. And He was saying to everyone, “If someone wants to come after Me, he must now deny himself and he must take his cross at once, and day by day he must consistently follow Me.
There can be no let down of one's guard. It must be a daily, consistent walk after Him in pursuit of the face of YHVH; the will of YHVH.

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.
WAKE UP, you and I are NOT there yet! We are "nearer;" we are closer every day but we are NOT there yet!

Thus I change what is there because I have been authorized to do so by YHVH in pursuit of HIS face; of HIS will. I have the same authority to do this as you have to look to others to have translated it correctly and then created their doctrines out of those translations. I do so because I also have the education to look back into the Hebrew, the Greek and the Latin in pursuit of the most accurate translation possible. Lastly I have the authority to do so ONLY when I am also willing to acknowledge that I have done so. This way you take it with a grain of salt and do not simply declare that this is the ONLY acceptable way of viewing The Scriptures; a quality that has been lost over the eons concerning all other translations of the New Testament and in particular the KJV. The fact that the punctuation is not known has help to spur many to look to other ways of translating the New Testament. If you don't think so get out of your cave and go look at all the possible translation available in a CHRISTian bookstore. I do so by the authority of YHVH where in your KJV it states...
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
It doesn't say to study to show the KJV, my Pastor, my denomination or anyone else approved. It declares that I am to study to show MYSELF approved!

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Quote: Can you show me at least one error or corruption in Textus Receptus?

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The most outrageous example is found in the second portion of a verse that is very important to most CHRISTians. In the one you are familiar with it reads...
Mat 28:19         Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

At the Council of Nicea the Catholic church added to The Scriptures baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:. It should not be in The Scriptures and because of it The Trinity of YHVH was changed from The FATHER, The WORD and The HOLY SPIRIT to The FATHER, Son & HOLY SPIRIT. This view of The Trinity disagrees with even other portions of the New Testament in actually too many places but the easiest one is at the baptism of Y'SHUA where obviously The FATHER & The HOLY SPIRIT are present but so is The Word when YHVH speaks and yet Y'SHUA , a fourth entity is also present So it is either a Trinity plus one or its a HOLY QUARTET? ? ?

That one little bit will most likely sending you guys crying to have me crucified but so be it. With over 5000 Biblical fragments and manuscripts available to us nothing agrees with the KJV version of Mat 28:19. The next largest document, the Textus Vaticantus dose not have that corruption added to it.

I'm really not here to argue with you guys over these points so if you accept them then I suggest you dig for the truth. If you reject them and/or cry for my head that is okay as well. i will be back to this website but most likely it will not be for awhile as I have other things to attend to.

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Quote: Originally posted by POC777 on May 01 2010

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"At the Council of Nicaea the Catholic church added to The Scriptures baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

First of all, the word "catholic" means universal in the Greek. Secondly, its quite different from Roman Catholicism(past or present) which came hundreds of years(somewhere between 300 to 500 AD) later after Christ and Apostles.

So, everyone who becomes born-again by faith through washing of Christ precious blood is a "catholic". In the Apostles Creed, the word "catholic church" appears!

Now I disagree and commonly an error mostly about Nicaea(even JW's make the same error). The 322 or so bishops didn't add to the Bible, like Dan Brown suggests in his book The Da Vinci Code. At the council of Nicaea, the DOCTRINES of the Christian faith from the Bible were already confirmed and the Nicaea Creed was created.

That is all!

There is nothing that indicates at Nicaea added "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" because it came from the original Greek.

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