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Message posted by God's Child. on October 24 2009 at 8:46 pm - IP Logged
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So I was at a church several weeks ago, checking it out. I've still yet to find a church that really satisfies me. I was at this one church and they held Holy Communion. It didn't occur to me until a few days later that they used leavened bread for it. When I stopped and thought about it, I remembered that in every place in the Bible I read about partaking of bread in obedience to God, it was always to be with unleavened bread. The leaven always represented sin, and at Communion, the bread represents Christ's body. So would partaking of leavened bread at Communion basically be saying that Christ contains sin? Some people point out that Christ did away with the food-specific ordinances and all, but I don't understand how the leaven no longer represents sin, yet the bread still represents Christ.

What do you think? To be honest I'm not convinced that leavened bread is ok for Communion.



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Quote: Originally posted by God's Child. on October 24 2009

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So I was at a church several weeks ago, checking it out. I've still yet to find a church that really satisfies me. I was at this one church and they held Holy Communion. It didn't occur to me until a few days later that they used leavened bread for it. When I stopped and thought about it, I remembered that in every place in the Bible I read about partaking of bread in obedience to God, it was always to be with unleavened bread.

The leaven always represented sin, and at Communion, the bread represents Christ's body. So would partaking of leavened bread at Communion basically be saying that Christ contains sin? Some people point out that Christ did away with the food-specific ordinances and all, but I don't understand how the leaven no longer represents sin, yet the bread still represents Christ.

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What do you think?



Much has been written on the LORD's Supper, Communion or the Euchrist(the Catholic name for Jesus broken body and precious blood). Having debates on this topical issue won't explain about this wonderful practice our LORD and Savior Jesus established the night before being crucified for our sins.

You are correct leaven is symbolic for sin. It was common in Jesus time that unleavened bread was made and eaten by most of the Jewish people. The bread represented the time God used Moses to deliver Israel out of Egypt. Moses instructed hundreds of Jewish families to kill a lamb, roast the animal and eat it quickly with bitter herbs and paint their door posts with its blood before twilight. God pa**ed over every door and if the blood wasn't found killed every firstborn in Egypt(Exodus 12)

Communion is similar to the Pa**over. The lamb who was sacrificed was a type of Christ and the blood on the door post was the cross that delivered us from God's judgment for our sin.

Communion could be done either at church or at home--with unleavened bread of course and a bottle of grape juice with a small cup.

As long as we follow Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians 11:23-34, we won't don't drink judgment on ourselves by mocking Jesus death! It's VERY important to check our heart if there is any habitual sin or else we will get sick or die!

Let me tell you about my own experiences. Going back to the time I was about 10 years old, I still remember going with my mother to a Roman Catholic church every Sunday.

After every service a Catholic priest preform his religious duties: bow down to a book(which looked like a huge Bible) cleaned a golden cup with white cloth and had a package of 3 inch wafers.

What he will do is dip the wafer in the cup and when he was done will held it up. Next, he will call every faithful Catholic up to the front and there will be a line of people--one by one will receive a wafer. At that time, I had no clue what was on--now I do.

I believe the wafers were unleavened!

You see priests in Roman Catholic Churches are taught by the Vatican that God gave them the power to change, literally, the body and blood of Christ. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that its all based on the traditions of man! Mainly, they take out of context John 6 where Jesus teaches to eat his body and drink His blood to have eternal life.

Those who followed Him believed He was really teaching them to eat Him and drain Him out. Which is why they said "this is a hard saying who can understand it?" and in John 6:66 we read they no longer followed Him.

To their mistake he was speaking spiritually and not literally. He says "the words I speak to you are spiritual". And Catholics fall into the same line!

Now as an adult I been to churches were there was nothing like the Roman Catholic Church I went to as a lad.

To my surprise Communion in a Christian church was quite different. No priest in colorful green and gold robes, gold cup or even wafers.

Just in this order:

1. Pastor is done with his sermon or teaching.
2. Pastor announces to the congregation there will be Communion.
3. Pastor calls up those who want to join in.
4. Pastor reads the Bible for instruction about Communion
5. Pastor prays and asks congregation as well
6. Pastor instructs servants to pa** around containers with broken unleavened bread and small cups.
7. Pastor and those involved partake in the LORD's Supper.

That's how I narrowed it down!



To be honest I'm not convinced that leavened bread is ok for Communion.

I hope the above explained how Communion is preformed without unleavened beard!






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Message posted by God's Child. on October 26 2009 at 6:47 pm - IP Logged
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POC:

Thanks bro, for the info! What happened in your church is pretty much the same thing that happened here, only the Pastor didn't ask the congregation to stand. He just had his helpers walk around and pa** out tiny little cubes of leavened bread to everyone.

 

So, for the record, communion should be with UNleavened, right?



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The Word of God teaches the following:

1. For about 3,000 years ago Pa**over feast was established with UNleavened beard by Moses.

a. UNleavened bread represents the freedom of Israel from Egypt by Moses.

2. Jesus who was a Jewish man kept Pa**over from child to adult. He made a New Covenant established the LORD's Supper and used UNleavened.

3. In the book of Acts, the apostles and Christians used UNleavened beard for Communion.

a. In Acts 2:46 we read that the 3,000 new believers meet from house to house "breaking bread". That was either a potluck or Communion with UNleavened bread!

4. Paul the Apostle addrssing his letter to the Church of Corinth used UNleavened bread during Communion.

Today worldwide Jewish families have kept Pa**over using(Matzo, a Jewish soup) or simply UNleavened bread dipping it in olive oil.

Most Christians churches today use UNleavened bread(unsalted cracker, I believe) during Communion.

Therefore, from what we just read UNleavened bread is biblical and leaven bread is not biblical because no one used it.



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Message posted by God's Child. on November 01 2009 at 3:25 pm - IP Logged
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Where at in Corinthians did Paul used unleavened bread, can you ell me? Like what chapter and verse(s)?

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